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Anthony, edit your waka's there making the page all crazy.

Whatever David. Those are documented incidents that have either been proven or disproven. That doesn't apply to what happened in Las Vegas because it's all speculation. I'm not saying it didn't happen, it could have, and he most likely was a chief instigator, but nothing has been confirmed, and if you believe that speculation is enough for conviction, then that's sad. I don't think you do; so, I don't understand why you seem to be arguing what you are arguing.

It's fun.

This just in Pacman has been arrested and here is his mugshot. Pun intended.

When you say conviction, do you mean in my opinion or in the legal sense? Because, legally I don't think with the evidence currently available they will be able, nor should be able, to get a conviction of any sort on Jones. That doesn't mean he's not guilty as hell in my mind and that I do not want him on my favorite football team.

How do you know he is guilty as hell? You can't; you weren't there. He probably isn't completely innocent, but you shouldn't base your CONVICTION on speculation.

Can and do.

Ridiculous.

What do you think about Barry Bonds? Do you think he knowingly took steroids? I bet you do. But you don't know, it's all "heresay" and "speculation". It's called being human and using judgement. Were you on the Moon when we landed there? Have you ever spoken to Jesus? Where you there when the aliens crashed in Area 51? Did you see Columbus land in the Americas? You saw none of this. Some of it is more likely than others that it actually happened. So you use your, lookout, judgement to decide what's true and what's less likely to be true. It does not have to be proven in a court of law for you to belive or doubt something. And it does not make your beliefs "ridiculous".

good argument..... your turn smallwood