Patriots Dynasty Talk

Post by **wolfe** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:47 pm

In this day of free agency, it's hard to keep a team together. That being said, if a team wins 4 championships in 6 years they might be called a 'dynasty'. But what do the 2002 champion Patriots have in common with the 2008 (potential) champions?

Here's a list I compiled using the rosters from the three previous Super Bowl Patriots teams and this year's roster.

The number indicates the number of times he played as a Patriot in a Super Bowl. There are 195 names here. 8 of them were on all 4 teams. That's 15% of a 53-man roster. 24 players (45%) have made 3 or 4 appearances as a Patriot. 17 current players (32%) were on the roster for the last championship.

Brady, Tom - QB - 4
Brown, Troy - WR - 4
Bruschi, Tedy - IL - 4
Faulk, Kevin - - 4
Izzo, Larry - - 4
Light, Matt - LT - 4
Seymour, Richard - RE - 4
Vrabel, Mike - OL - 4
Andruzzi, Joe - RG - 3
Chatham, Matt - - 3
Cherry, Je'Rod - - 3
Green, Jarvis - - 3
Harrison, Rodney - SS - 3
Hochstein, Russ - LG - 3
Johnson, Ted - - 3
Koppen, Dan - C - 3
McGinest, Willie - - 3
Pass, Patrick - - 3
Paxton, Lonie - - 3
Phifer, Roman - IL - 3
Samuel, Asante - - 3
Vinatieri, Adam - - 3
Warren, Ty - - 3
Wilson, Eugene - FS - 3
Banta-Cain, Tully - - 2
Branch, Deion - WR - 2
Colvin, Rosevelt - - 2
Davis, Don - - 2
Fauria, Christian - - 2
Gay, Randall - CB - 2
Givens, David - - 2
Gorin, Brandon - - 2
Graham, Daniel - TE - 2
Hamilton, Bobby - LE - 2
Johnson, Bethel - - 2
Law, Ty - LC - 2
Neal, Steve - RG - 2
Patten, David - WR - 2
Smith, Antowain - RB - 2
Walter, Ken - - 2
Wilfork, Vince - NT - 2
Abdullah, Rabih - - 1
Akins, Chris - - 1
Alexander, Eric - LB - 1
Andrews, Willie - CB - 1
Ashworth, Tom - RT - 1
Bledsoe, Drew - - 1
Brady, Kyle - TE - 1
Britt, Wesley - T - 1
Brown, Wilbert - - 1
Buckley, Terrell - - 1
Cassel, Matt - QB - 1
Centers, Larry - FB - 1
Coleman, Fred - - 1
Compton, Mike - LG - 1
Cox, Bryan - - 1
Davey, Rohan - - 1
Dillon, Corey - RB - 1
Eckel, Kyle - RB - 1
Edwards, Marc - FB - 1
Evans, Heath - FB - 1
Gaffney, Jabar - WR - 1
Gostkowski, Stephen - K - 1
Gutierrez, Matt - QB - 1
Hanson, Chris - P - 1
Harris, Antwan - - 1
Hobbs, Ellis - CB - 1
Huard, Damon - - 1
Jackson, Chad - WR - 1
Johnson, Charles - - 1
Jones, Tebucky - FS - 1
Kaczur, Nick - T - 1
Kinchen, Brian - - 1
Lua, Oscar* - LB - 1
Mankins, Logan - G - 1
Maroney, Laurence - RB - 1
Mayer, Shawn - - 1
Meriweather, Brandon - DB - 1
Miller, Josh - - 1
Milloy, Lawyer - SS - 1
Mitchell, Brandon - DT - 1
Mitchell, Mel* - DB - 1
Moore, Rashad - DT - 1
Morris, Sammy* - RB - 1
Moss, Randy - WR - 1
Mruczkowski, Gene - - 1
O'Callaghan, Ryan - T - 1
Parker, Riddick - - 1
Pleasant, Anthony - RE - 1
Poole, Tyrone - RC - 1
Poteat, Hank - - 1
Randall, Greg - RT - 1
Redmond, J.R. - - 1
Reid, Dexter - - 1
Richardson, Mike* - DB - 1
Ruegamer, Grey - - 1
Rutledge, Rod - - 1
Sanders, James - FS - 1
Scott, Chad* - CB - 1
Seau, Junior - IL - 1
Shaw, Terrance - - 1
Smith, Le Kevin - DT - 1
Smith, Otis - RC - 1
Spach, Stephen - TE - 1
Spann, Antwain - DB - 1
Stallworth, Donte' - WR - 1
Stevens, Matt - - 1
Thomas, Adalius - IL - 1
Thomas, David* - TE - 1
Traylor, Keith - - 1
Ventrone, Raymond - DB - 1
Ward, Dedric - - 1
Washington, Kelley - WR - 1
Washington, Ted - NT - 1
Watson, Benjamin - TE - 1
Welker, Wes - WR - 1
Wiggins, Jermaine - TE - 1
Williams, Grant - - 1
Woods, Pierre - LB - 1
Woody, Damien - C - 1
Wright, Mike* - DE - 1
Yates, Billy - G - 1

Post by **wolfe** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:00 pm

Out of the 41 Super Bowls played so far, only 5 of them have been decided by 3 points or less. Three of those were Patriots victories in this "dynasty era".

Post by **wolfe** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:14 pm

During the Steelers 4 Super Bowl win run in 6 years...18 players were on all 4 teams

(76 players in total; 41-43 man roster)

Bleier, Rocky - RB - 4
Blount, Mel - CB - 4
Bradshaw, Terry - QB - 4
Davis, Samuel - - 4
Furness, Steve - - 4
Greene, Joe - DT - 4
Greenwood, L. C. - DE - 4
Grossman, Randy - - 4
Harris, Franco - RB - 4
Kolb, Jon - T - 4
Lambert, Jack - ML - 4
Mullins, Gerry - G - 4
Shell, Donnie - - 4
Stallworth, John - - 4
Swann, Lynn - - 4
Toews, Loren - - 4
Webster, Mike - - 4
White, Dwight - - 4
Banaszak, John - - 3
Brown, Larry - TE - 3
Gerela, Roy - - 3
Ham, Jack - OL - 3
Thomas, J.T. - CB - 3
Wagner, Mike - SS - 3
Anderson, Larry - - 2
Beasley, Tom - - 2
Bell, Theo - - 2
Bradley, Ed - - 2
Clack, Jim - G - 2
Cole, Robin - - 2
Colquitt, Craig - - 2
Courson, Steve - - 2
Dunn, Gary - - 2
Edwards, Glen - FS - 2
Garrett, Reggie - - 2
Gravelle, Gordon - T - 2
Harrison, Reggie - - 2
Holmes, Ernie - DT - 2
Johnson, Ronald - CB - 2
Kellum, Marv - - 2
Lewis, Frank - - 2
Mansfield, Ray - C - 2
Moser, Rick - - 2
Petersen, Ted - - 2
Reavis, Dave - - 2
Russell, Andy - OL - 2
Smith, Jim A. - - 2
Thornton, Sidney - - 2
Walden, Bobby - - 2
Winston, Dennis - - 2
Allen, Jimmy - - 1
Anderson, Anthony - - 1
Anderson, Fred - - 1
Bahr, Matt - - 1
Brown, Dave - - 1
Collier, Mike - - 1
Conn, Dick - - 1
Cunningham, Bennie - TE - 1
Davis, Charles - - 1
Davis, Steve - - 1
Deloplaine, Jack - - 1
Dornbrook, Thom - - 1
Druschel, Rich - - 1
Dungy, Tony - - 1
Fuqua, John - - 1
Graves, Tom - - 1
Hanratty, Terry - - 1
Hawthorne, Greg - - 1
Mandich, Jim - - 1
McMakin, John - - 1
Oldham, Ray - - 1
Pearson, Preston - - 1
Pinney, Ray - T - 1
Shanklin, Ronnie - WR - 1
Valentine, Zack - - 1
Woodruff, Dwayne - - 1

Post by **wolfe** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:30 pm

Dallas won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years in the '90s at the beginning of free agency. 18 players got 3 rings as a Cowboy.

Aikman, Troy - QB - 3
Brown, Larry - CB - 3
Edwards, Dixon - - 3
Haley, Charles - DE - 3
Hellestrae, Dale - - 3
Hennings, Chad - - 3
Irvin, Michael - WR - 3
Johnston, Daryl - RB - 3
Jones, Robert - ML - 3
Lett, Leon - DT - 3
Maryland, Russell - - 3
Myles, Godfrey - - 3
Newton, Nate - G - 3
Novacek, Jay - TE - 3
Smith, Emmitt - RB - 3
Tuinei, Mark - T - 3
Williams, Erik - T - 3
Woodson, Darren - DB - 3
Bates, Bill - - 2
Casillas, Tony - DT - 2
Cornish, Frank - - 2
Everett, Thomas - SS - 2
Gainer, Derrick - - 2
Gant, Kenneth - - 2
Gesek, John - C - 2
Harper, Alvin - WR - 2
Jeffcoat, Jim - - 2
Jett, John - - 2
Jones, Jimmie - - 2
Norton, Ken - LB - 2
Smith, Darrin - OL - 2
Smith, Kevin - CB - 2
Tolbert, Tony - DE - 2
Washington, James - FS - 2
Williams, Kevin - - 2
Agee, Tommie - - 1
Allen, Larry - G - 1
Bailey, Robert - - 1
Beuerlein, Steve - - 1
Bjornson, Eric - - 1
Boniol, Chris - - 1
Brice, Alundis - - 1
Briggs, Greg - - 1
Carver, Shante - - 1
Case, Scott - - 1
Coleman, Lincoln - - 1
Davis, Billy - - 1
Elliott, Lin - - 1
Fishback, Joe - - 1
Fleming, Cory - - 1
Gagan, Kevin - G - 1
Galbraith, Scott - - 1
Gogan, Kevin - - 1
Holmes, Clayton - - 1
Holt, Issiac - - 1
Horton, Ray - - 1
Kennard, Derek - C - 1
Kosar, Bernie - - 1
Lang, David - - 1
Marion, Brock - FS - 1
Martin, Kelvin - - 1
McCormack, Hurvin - - 1
Murray, Eddie - - 1
Patterson, Elvis - - 1
Pruitt, Mickey - - 1
Sanders, Deion - CB - 1
Saxon, Mike - - 1
Schwantz, Jim - - 1
Smith, Jimmy L. - - 1
Smith, Vinson - OL - 1
Stepnoski, Mark - C - 1
Stone, Ron - - 1
Tennell, Derek - - 1
Thomas, Dave - - 1
Toilbett, Tony - DE - 1
Vanderbeek, Matt - - 1
Watkins, Kendell - - 1
Williams, Charlie - - 1

bilyeuofbaxter · Post by **bilyeuofbaxter** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:59 pm

Giants by 23!

http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episode ... a95fa50003

Oompa Midgets · Post by **Oompa Midgets** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:55 pm

a subprime second mortgage and put it all on the Giants

Jonathan S. · Post by **Jonathan S.** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:55 am

Dynasties are not about individual players; especially in this era of free agency. Dynasties are about organizations.

Also, 4 in 6 years? Were the Cowboys not a dynasty in the mid-Nineties because they didn't win 4? Here's my point, the Patriots were a dynasty before their impending win this Sunday.